I never had a problem with e2m9, its just a fun simple map! Playing in vanilla and the blood becomes an issue, its just a really boring map IMO, going from one of the best mpas in the game (mt erebus) to limbo its a massive step back. And then there's the part where there's lost souls in the pits on the final stretch to the exit that will knock you off the highwire and into the inescapable pits of sludge. I do think the Chasm was pretty stupid though, if only because the constant balancing acts slow the pace at times to a crawl. You have no excuse for not knowing where to go already at this point. I do think the teleporter 'puzzle' would be a bit annoying to figure out the first time, but the thing is you can't really fault these games for that at this point because the game is turning 20 years old this year. The music is one of my favorite tracks in the game and the blood pools aren't REALLY an issue so long as you minimize time spent in them by bunny hopping across, or rationing the extremely large supply of radiation suits provided for you in the narrow tunnels where you get the red key. Twinkieman93 wrote:I actually like Limbo.

Yeah, it was neat to have a boss that big back then, but the process of fighting him is either tedious or too simple, entirely decided by whether or not you decide to use mouselook. As for Doom 2, I'm going to go with the flow here and say Icon of Sin. At least the whole level is not mandatory. FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU-ДЄs for levels I don't like? Fortress of Mystery because it's really short and its design hinges around monster infighting and finding secrets which I feel should never be mandatory things.

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